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From [livejournal.com profile] jenish - please, for the sake of the childrennon-Myspace-addicts, sign the petition against the new-look LJ!

To see what LJ want to do with your userinfo, add ?ver=ng to the end of your user info URL. And then go and bleach your brain.

LJ != Myspace



Also go here and take the poll, to prove that LJ does have a fair number of teenagers, but also has lots of non-teenagers, and therefore trying to target LJ at teenagers to the exclusion of older users is really not a cunning plan.

ETA: Updated the links for the petition, as so many people have now signed that she'd had to run on to a new post!

Date: 19 Jun 2006 15:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fhtagn.livejournal.com
Um ... yes, it's ugly but no uglier than the current one. ::shrugs:: It doesn't seem to have any effect on the utility of the page.

Date: 19 Jun 2006 17:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enismirdal.livejournal.com
I think some of my objection is to the fact that it's new and unnecessary, and the other part of the objection is that it squidges all my information into two silly columns. But if it was an optional "old style" or "new style" thing, so I could choose the old style, I could probably live with it...

Date: 19 Jun 2006 15:23 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tienelle.livejournal.com
I note that they declared LJ users to be primarily "teenagers and twenty-somethings". While I hate the term "twenty-something" with the heat of 2 * 10^-25 fiery suns, I fear we probably both count as such. I also think that LJ probably know at least the rough ages of their users, having asked us for our dates of birth when we registered.

What's the objection to the planned info page? It looks less of a mess than the current one.

Date: 19 Jun 2006 16:09 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fhtagn.livejournal.com
With the passion of 2 very, very, very small fiery suns?

Date: 19 Jun 2006 17:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enismirdal.livejournal.com
Hmm...I just went through my Flist to calculate a ballpark figure for the average age, and it did seem to come out around 26. I suppose I take offense at grouping teens and 20-somethings together, on the principle that what appeals to an average 14 year old is totally different to what appeals to an average 24 year old.

Did it actually request our dates of birth, or just a promise that we're not 13 and under?

Date: 20 Jun 2006 08:06 (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ewx.livejournal.com
This page has a diagram showing age distribution of users (at least according to LJ's data). The bulk are indeed 13-29.

Date: 19 Jun 2006 15:33 (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] jaiden-s.livejournal.com
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think it looks that different.

Date: 19 Jun 2006 16:00 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] natsci-mark.livejournal.com
Hmmmm.... I've never used Myspace, but I don't see anything really wrong with the new layout. LJ probably has the worst user-interface of any website I use, so I think I'd welcome attempts to improve it.

Date: 19 Jun 2006 16:42 (UTC)

Date: 19 Jun 2006 16:53 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smcv.livejournal.com
I think the new design looks reasonable for some users (my ver=ng profile looks OK, although I prefer the old one) and not others (your ver=ng profile really suffers from your Biography and your longer friends lists each being squeezed into one half-width column).

I'm not sure why you think the "ng" profile page resembles Myspace; apart from the pointless two-column thing and a few icons, the only significant change I noticed is that my "schools" are suddenly much more prominent, appearing above my interests (which looks more like an attempt to be Facebook, another site I really can't be bothered with). They also think all my "schools" are current, for some reason - that's probably a bug though.

Date: 19 Jun 2006 17:45 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enismirdal.livejournal.com
LOL The two columness is most of the reason, yeah - and the sort of simulatanous bombardment of information from all sides that makes it a headache to navigate. It seems to me to be over-engineered and over-frillified, with lots of excess text/icons/decoration. I preferred just to scroll down and have the information appear clearly, one thing at a time.

Date: 19 Jun 2006 17:21 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] larianelensar.livejournal.com
Well, the new version means I have to scroll sideways, as well as up and down, so I'd opt for the 'old' version if they would do that...

Otherwise, it's not that awful...

I guess it really means that they just can't leave things alone, so try to change things under the guise of 'improvement', though they really don't know if it's better or not.*urgh*

Date: 19 Jun 2006 23:07 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zafiro-v.livejournal.com
So we can keep the old version?

Date: 19 Jun 2006 23:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] larianelensar.livejournal.com
it kind of looked like you could keep the old version...I read the stuff they had posted before you sign the petition...

Date: 19 Jun 2006 23:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zafiro-v.livejournal.com
If you can keep the old version then it's okay for me.

Date: 19 Jun 2006 17:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melime.livejournal.com
I'm a little confused.

1) Thanks for finally informing me on what everyone was soooo upset about. It does look a little different, but that always happens when a something changes its layout and you have to get used to it; you're always disgusted for about a week or two before it becomes normal. I understand some people being like "dizzamn, not a layout change," but why is it warrenting a full-out petition? o.o

2) Also, don't see the big deal in the statement "primarily teenagers and twenty-somethings." Everyone seems to be latching on to the FIRST part of that statement and ignoring the last. Anyway, ISN'T IT? SURE there are tons of older people out there on LJ, but the majority is us, teens and twenty-somethings. So wouldn't that statement be factual? What's the dilly-o?

I'm not trying to sound bitchy to you at all. I am just so confused as to why there is a ginormous hubbub over something that looks relatively... non-hubbubish. :D

Date: 19 Jun 2006 17:31 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melime.livejournal.com
Also, sorry to comment again, but:

3) What is "Vox?"

Date: 19 Jun 2006 17:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enismirdal.livejournal.com
*grins* It seems to be SixApart's bright idea, that presumably is intended to be an LJ-equivalent for the "older and more sophisticated user" - they claim the emphasis will be on things like security and privacy and stuff.

I'm sure it's a nice idea for people who are just getting their first blog, but...all my friends are on LJ!

Date: 20 Jun 2006 00:16 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melime.livejournal.com
The hell? I don't get it. I mean, what makes it so different from LJ? I looked at the little website they have for it and I'm still confused. I mean, we have like ten thousand different variations when we want to lock our posts.

I'll bet that they think "older people" don't want userpics or mood themes. Ha ha ha. Does Vox come with little martinis with olives stuck in them? Can we dress casual when we use Vox?

Okay, sorry, I'm sick and I think also crazy. XD

Date: 20 Jun 2006 01:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enismirdal.livejournal.com
Does Vox come with little martinis with olives stuck in them? Can we dress casual when we use Vox?

ROFL!! Best comment EVER! You are so WIN!!

Date: 19 Jun 2006 17:41 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enismirdal.livejournal.com
1. I do take your point - I think basically it's a reaction to LJ trying to change something that I was 100% perfectly happy with in the first place. I have no problem with the existing layout, so I'd prefer them to work on useful new LJ features, rather than devoting time and effort to "fixing" something that isn't broken in the first place.

And I guess I still don't like the new Yahoo groups layout, and they changed that 6 months or so ago...

2. As I said to [livejournal.com profile] tienelle, I guess really my tantrum probably stems from bunching together everyone between the ages of 13 and 29 as if they are a single entity with identical desires. What appeals to a 14 year old and a 28 year old are entirely different, so if LJ tries to increase its appeal to 14 year olds, it is very likely to result in it becoming less popular with grumpy old cows like me!

That said, probably my whining is badly phrased, and the poll isn't as relevant as it should be...

You're right, in essence, I guess! I'm probably overreacting a bit - I just...like LJ how it is and don't see why they need to make all these "improvements" to make it a better rival for Myspace, Facebook, etc. I like LJ cos it's LJ!

Date: 20 Jun 2006 00:22 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melime.livejournal.com
Sorry, for 2 I was mainly replying to the link you provided. The person there was like "Hey, they said 'teens and twenty-somethings!' I'M NOT A TEEN, DAMMIT!" and I was like "Huh? Did you not fully read the thing you just quoted? Meh?"

Most of my comment was a reaction to that link, sorry if I came across as replying to your post when I was, you know, replying to your post. Ha ha! Anyway, I wasn't feeling bitchy, I was more feeling "Bzuhh??"

I like LJ, too. The only thing I think I would ever change is that I would like to have control over the moods. I mean, I'd like to add more moods, and delete others. Actually, the moods we have now actually do cater towards teens, heh. It's about five thousand different synonyms for "lazy" and "angry." I wish I could add some more. :D Okay, sorry, why am I going on about this here?

Blogger changed their layout many moons ago. All I have on Blogger is my updates page. I had been away for months and came back and it was ALL DIFFERENT and I was pissed, LOL.

Date: 20 Jun 2006 00:43 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melime.livejournal.com
Heh, speaking of, Yahoo just changed their main page, and it totally blows. Is that a coincidence or what? I can't find the link to Yahoo mail. Humph.

Date: 19 Jun 2006 18:13 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caduceus.livejournal.com
Hm. I guess I'm simply too stoopid, or too brain-ded BUT I don't see any differences between the two styles. :(
As long as they don't flood LJ with whiny widdle chilluns that bitch at each other for no reason, as long as I can choose who's on my flist and as long as it permits me to stay in contact with my friends, I'll stay. If not, well, too bad.

Will have to look into that once I get my brain back. But thanks for pointing this out, or I would have totally overlooked this piece of info!
*huggles*

Date: 19 Jun 2006 18:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aduial-peredhel.livejournal.com
I don't know whether I like or dislike that look.

I do know that I dislike MySpace. My brother has a MySpace and FaceBook accounts (which I find stupid). From what I've heard, MySpace is filled with teenage wannabes (of any and all sorts). I also dislike being categorized as a "twenty-something" since I tend to act older than my age. About 98% of my friends are my age or older; my youngest friend, I think, is about 17 but already a freshman in college.

The look doesn't bother me much. But if LJ begins to get flooded with ignorant teens, I'm out.

Date: 19 Jun 2006 20:15 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enismirdal.livejournal.com
Yes...my biggest objections to MySpace are 1. the fundies and 2. the way it pumps loud, annoying music at you on every other page.

I am hoping there is no Attack of the Mutant Blinkie-Banners coming our way...

Date: 19 Jun 2006 23:10 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zafiro-v.livejournal.com
The new page looks awful, but what does it have to do with age? Teenagers like that page? Have they run polls or something to know?

Date: 19 Jun 2006 23:12 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enismirdal.livejournal.com
I assume their reasoning goes something like: LJ has lots of teenagers --> there are lots of teenagers on MySpace --> if we look like MySpace, all the teenagers will come here.

Having said that, I wonder which age groups the majority of their revenue comes from...

Date: 19 Jun 2006 23:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zafiro-v.livejournal.com
Oh, so MySpace looks like that? I see the connection now.

It would be interesting and useful if they checked how much of their revenue comes from that group with unspecified age. Most teenies live on their parents money after all, so it doesn't matter if they don't work yet.

Date: 20 Jun 2006 07:43 (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
As someone with out an LJ I find this completely confusing.
Abner
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