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I decided to try and taste-test as many non-dairy milk varieties as possible. My reasons were:
1. Curiosity - to find out how they taste
2. Environmental-ish - everything I read seems to imply that cows are pretty energy-inefficient to produce and therefore beef and dairy come with a pretty high carbon footprint, so I figure if I can eat less dairy and still have yummy meals/drinks then that can only be a good thing
3. Health-ish - to see if less dairy suddenly gives me luxurious hair, glowing skin or magical vibrant energy

So, based on my research, the milks I can obtain in this area appear to be:
- soy milk
- rice milk
- oat milk
- almond milk
- hazelnut milk
- hemp milk

I'm starting with the cheap ones (~£1 per litre) and working through to the expensive ones (~£3 per litre). I'm approaching this experiment not from the angle, "Can I find something that tastes JUST LIKE MILK?" but rather from the point of view, "Does it taste nice and serve similar sorts of functions, in cooking, cereal and drinks?" Therefore, I won't be rating these milks entirely on whether they taste like milk, mostly on whether they have a nice flavour that works well in tea, coffee, cereal, hot chocolate, etc.

My inclination is to make a master post with reviews of all of them together, for my own future reference...

But I do like cheese. Far too much to part with it, I'm afraid.

Date: 2 May 2010 14:26 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rainien.livejournal.com
Cheese is necessary for life. It certainly is. *nods*

Call me old fashioned. Call me stubborn. I just don't see how any of those can provide those essential nutrients (calcium, vitamins A & D) that real milk provides. Perhaps I don't have all the information. LOL I'm perfectly willing to admit I haven't done much research into the matter.

Of course, I'm picky about my milk. I'll only drink whole milk or milk that's no less than 2% milk fat. Skim milk and milk that's 1% milk fat just taste awful to me.

Date: 2 May 2010 14:35 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enismirdal.livejournal.com
Well, I figure that the majority of adult humans on a worldwide scale are lactose-intolerant and never drink milk, so it's definitely not a necessity. Most of the milk alternatives appear to be fortified with calcium and vitamin D and sometimes vitamin B12 as well, but quite honestly there are loads of other dietary sources of all of those; I eat a lot of leafy green veg so I'm not overly worried. Likewise, I don't think many people get the majority of their vitamin A from milk (I LOVE orange vegetables so I'm probably getting plenty that way!). I don't think milk is the exclusive or even the best source of most nutrients. But it's definitely a good source of many and I think the makers of the non-dairy alternatives try to take that into account when devising their products!

I can't stand reduced fat milk either - I like the creamy flavour soooo much. But then I almost never drink cold, plain milk straight out of the glass - I'd much rather have it in tea, hot chocolate or on muesli!

Date: 2 May 2010 14:50 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rainien.livejournal.com
Until I was about 12, we always got our milk from a local dairy. They'd remove a great deal of the cream, but there was always more left than what you'd find from store-bought milk. LOL To this day I can't open a container of milk without first giving it a little shake to distribute any cream that has risen to the top - nevermind the fact that there is no cream on the top.

When I was pregnant with the boys I drank a lot of milk. These days, though, about the only time I drink milk "straight out of the glass" is with breakfast. There's also the odd serving of milk and cookies with the boys. :D Some cookies just must be served with ice cold milk.

I'm interested to see your results, though.

Date: 2 May 2010 14:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enismirdal.livejournal.com
Ohhhhhhhhh, that sounds so good. I treat myself about once a month to Jersey milk, which has a very high cream content, and frequently solid lumps fall into my tea as I pour it! :D My flatmates are horrified that I'll drink milk that essentially has little droplets of butter floating on top but it's sooooooo good.

LOL I have recently been educated about the correct manner of eating milk and cookies. It seems kind of fun but I haven't really tried it yet!

Date: 2 May 2010 15:05 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rainien.livejournal.com
*is stunned* I thought everyone knew about milk and cookies! You really don't know what you're missing. LOL It's even better than peanut butter!! :D Really, dear, you must try it. Freshly made chocolate chip cookies and ice cold milk. *nods* It's a moral imperative.

We had a Jersey milk cow for about a year when I was a kid. (I had to do all the milking.) Mom would skim the cream off the top of the milk and we'd make our own butter. (An incredibly boring way to spend an evening, btw.) Homemade butter tastes nothing like that stuff bought at the store.

Date: 2 May 2010 14:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rochvelleth.livejournal.com
Cheeeese!

I'd be interested in reading the results of this experiment, out of curiosity. Especially because it would educate me in the ways of e.g. cooking for DF friends. (Not that I've cooked for anyone for aaages, but it could happen!)

Date: 2 May 2010 14:36 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enismirdal.livejournal.com
Yeah, I figure whatever I decide it'll be educational. I've actually tried soy and oat so far and liked both, though preferred oat flavourwise.

Date: 2 May 2010 14:30 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] numberland.livejournal.com
I would be very interested in your findings. I'm currently using lots of the new lactose free milk but I would be interested in another option.

For cheese I'm guessing goats milk would have a much lower carbon foot print and lower lactose so might be worth experimenting. There now exists (very nice) blue goats cheese.

Date: 2 May 2010 14:37 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enismirdal.livejournal.com
I'm a BIG fan of goat and sheep cheese so I guess I should consider switching in more of both where it's appropriate!

Date: 2 May 2010 15:18 (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] jaiden-s.livejournal.com
Lowfat dairy makes up a significant portion of my diet, so I can't imagine giving it up. I'm interested to see what you find, though. :)

Date: 2 May 2010 15:42 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naath.livejournal.com
If you are concerned about the cows rather than, say, the lactose, or becoming vegan generally then you could also try sheep's milk and goat's milk (and the associated cheese).

Also tea and coffee are both excellent without any milk at all :-)

Date: 2 May 2010 15:48 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enismirdal.livejournal.com
*nods* I really enjoy goat's milk from time to time but sometimes find it a bit too goat-y to put actually in stuff! But it makes a nice treat (used to buy and share with hamsters) and hot goat's milk at bedtime is lovely! And I certainly agree about black tea and coffee, as long as I'm in the right mood. Sometimes I much prefer them milkless but with things like Rooibos Chai then mmmmmmm-milk!

Goat's milk cheese is omnomnom!

I'd really like to try sheep's milk but it seems to be hard to get hold of and insanely expensive... Do you know somewhere that sells it at non-obscene prices?

Date: 2 May 2010 16:03 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naath.livejournal.com
I'm afraid not :-( I had some lovely sheep's cheese at the Cambridge beer festival once...

Date: 2 May 2010 21:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enismirdal.livejournal.com
*nods* I've bought some nice sheep's cheese from Abel and Cole now and again. Mmmcreamy. Good stuff.

Date: 2 May 2010 21:48 (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] hairyears.livejournal.com
Non-dairy... Does that mean 'not bovine'?

If so, ewe's milk and goats milk cheeses ate fine. I doubt you'd like the mik, though: both are very strongly flavoured. Rank, even.

As for environmental considerations, mutton makes sense. Yes, I know it needs acres of land to feed a sheep but it's land you can't use for anything else: high land, sloping land, unproductive soils that won't support a crop yield worth planting and harvesting. Upland sheep concentrate the energy from a vast area of land that you can't extract energy and materials from any other way.

Date: 2 May 2010 21:56 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enismirdal.livejournal.com
I wanted to try non-animal milks altogether - I'm pretty well aquainted with goat's milk and although I like it, I find the goat-y taste can be a bit strong when you want your tea/hot chocolate to taste of tea or hot chocolate, rather than of goat! I really want to try ewe's milk, but as I mentioned to [livejournal.com profile] naath, I haven't yet found a place selling it for £non-silly!

And I totally agree about sheep products generally - if the land is useless for crop growing but has grass for grazing, I completely endorse using it for livestock rearing and therefore turning the grass into Yummy Meat. And sheep are much more environmentally-friendly than cows in all the literature I've read. In general it seems like cheese is weight-for-weight worse for the environment than actual pork or mutton or chicken meat.

But I'm not turning into some sort of rampant veggie or anything. Meat tastes good. But I figure if doing x is "bad" then doing less of x is "an improvement", so ways to reduce my intake of dead animal and mammary secretions rather than eliminate them entirely would seem to be my preference at present!
Edited Date: 2 May 2010 21:56 (UTC)

Date: 3 May 2010 15:24 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x19narya90x.livejournal.com
Almond milk sounds like it should be nice, in theory...

I agree with you about cheese. I'm obsessed. It's terrible.
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