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I've been contacted by one of those real, genuine language scholars who actually understand Sindarin as Tolkien created it. He's been educating me. I'm very pleased.

I sent him a list of all the most common "Sindarin" endearments from fanfiction I've read, asking, "Which of these are technically incorrect?" The answer: not a single one. Melamin, Vanimaer, Lirimaer, Morier, Melme; all of them, incorrect. Meleth nín is allowed. Im mela lle, the favourite phrase of LOTR fanfic writers ("I love you") is also wrong. The correct version is: Melon le. Some other nice endearments are: Melda nín (my beloved), Írima (lovely one) and Mel an cuil nín (Love of my life).

Consequently, I am now a happy advocate of this amazing site. Let the tide of Grelvish ("Sindarin" gleaned from Grey Company Elven Phrase Book which is apparently Very Wrong) stop here!!

EDIT: Have received confirmation that Melethron/Melethryn (sing./pl.) are grammatically correct but contrived (apparently, he hadn't seen this word before, being not a slash person, I guess). Just in case you wondered.

ban Grelvish!

Date: 24 Apr 2004 19:59 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nellasofdoriath.livejournal.com
As an advocate for proper Elvish in fanfiction, you might want to make the aquaintance of the lovely [livejournal.com profile] orchydconstyne, who also knows a lot about that language, and teaches it to those willing to learn.
Between the two of you, you may yet manage to bring light into the twilight of Grelvish ignorance. And you have my bow, err, pencil!

Re: ban Grelvish!

Date: 24 Apr 2004 20:34 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enismirdal.livejournal.com
This is indeed a good idea. And your pencil is always welcome!! *starts plotting and making cunning plans for possible campaign ideas*

Date: 24 Apr 2004 22:33 (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melime.livejournal.com
Yes, awful Grelvish. Sad to say I had that site bookmarked for awhile until I found out that it was completely not associated with Tolkien at all. Those people really need to put a notice on their site and let people trying to learn Tolkien's Elvish know that their Elvish is NOT Tolkien's. Grr. There are way too many "lirimaer"s and whatnot in fanfiction. And some poor people get their tattoos, unknowingly in Grelvish.

OOH! We should create a Grelvish Awareness site or something!!!

Let me direct you to this lovely site. Someone took all the phrases on the Grelvish site and turned it into actual Sindarin. :D

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